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Factory Farming Humans??!!

Postby Attached mum » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:21 pm

I understand this post is going to be fairly controversial :? but I feel this is the only forum I can say it and I am interested to see if anyone else has thought the same…

While looking into the issue of factory farming, I couldn’t help noticing the similarities between animal welfare problems and the problems caused to children by placing them in day-care/group care.

Three of the most commonly known animal welfare problems caused by factory farming are:
•Abnormal, unhealthy (often aggressive) behaviour caused by stress overcrowding in an unnatural environment.
•Growth and development problems
•Increased use of antibiotics to promote faster growth and to compensate for the unsanitary conditions in which they are raised

While with day-care, studies show a direct link to day-care and stress levels (and it is well know that stress can be damaging to health and development) “When children stay home, their cortisol levels show the healthy pattern—-rising at waking and decreasing throughout the day. When children attend daycare, the pattern changes. Cortisol levels increase during the day” (Geoffroy et al 2006)

Research also points to the negative effects of day-care on a childs behaviour, “Researchers found that the more time kids spent in non-maternal care during the first 4.5 years of life, the more behavioral problems they developed“(National Institute of Child Health and Human Development 2003)

“Children in day care have more respiratory and gastrointestinal infections and are at higher risk for meningitis due to Haemophilus influenzae than are children in home care” (Infectious Diseases and Day Care, by Jerome O. Klein © 1986) The number of colds and flus that day-care children get speaks for itself, and a number of reasons could be behind this increase in illness: stress, close contact with other children, weakened immune systems from formula feeding, or over consumption of antibiotics causing antibiotic-resistant bacteria – all major concerns for society.

So what kind of generation are we bringing up? Anyone else see the similarities to factory farming??

Why is it acceptable to be proactive about promoting the problems with factory farming, and be critical towards this kind of practice, but not when it comes to day-care! Do we care more about animals than our own children??

I’m not saying mothers shouldn’t go to work, but I think our society needs to look at child care more closely and mothers (particularly us AP ones) need to be more proactive making change a priority (without fear of offending others) before a whole generation is affected.

I think the following quote from an article “Talking about childcare” by Diane K. McHale puts it nicely http://www.mothering.com/parenting/talk ... -childcare

“Working mothers shouldn't feel guilty if researchers find problems with child care, but they have a right to feel angry. Instead, it should be a wake-up call for real change in families and workplaces. Maybe careers should accommodate taking a few years off or working part time. Perhaps fathers should put more time into caring for their small children. On the other hand, finding advantages to at-home care could be a reason to recognize and respect the high-quality work at-home parents do. Mothers and fathers don't have to feel bad if they want to stay home with their children or work part time. More importantly, it could be one more reason for at-home parents to demand better treatment.”
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Re: Factory Farming Humans??!!

Postby Sarah_88 » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:31 pm

Ooooo contrversial indeed :?

I have never even thought about it that way. And though I see how you have linked the two, I would argue there are many more things vastly different between the two...

I don't know much about child care, but I do know a lot about the factory farming of animals, and I would hope that children are not treated at all in the same way as those animals!!

Though I must add, I do agree that SAHMs need to be better treated and respected and recognised as doing not just a "job", but a GOOD job!!! Extended maternity leave, the option to return to work part time, or even bring your child to work (now that's a fun idea!) or work from home. And maybe something like giving dad's the option of going part time down the track when bubba is less reliant on mama so mama can go do something else like work... or sleep :lol:
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Re: Factory Farming Humans??!!

Postby milkNhoney » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:31 pm

This is the first time I haev EVER come across another parent who feels like this.
I have felt like this from day one and have felt completely disowned for my beliefs. I didn't consider the link to factory farming but yes I think there is definitely some very strong similarities! Thanks for posting - it's late but I look forward to reading responses whatever they are.
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Re: Factory Farming Humans??!!

Postby bliss » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:11 am

I think the comparison is a really interesting one and I do agree to an extent. I have really struggled with Ella being in daycare for even the one and half days she goes even though she is across the road and I visit her to breastfeed.

I think what is sad is that our society promotes debt and consuming beyond our means which often means parenting choices are made buy our financial situation rather than buy our hearts. Until we value people more than things there won't be a change in how children are raised. I love being at home but it is very different from being a SAHM mum in the 50s. I can access the world through my computer and use my car to be involved in so many things. That makes being at home easier and less isolating. I feel like I am more productive now than when I worked full time.
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Re: Factory Farming Humans??!!

Postby gentle » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:56 am

I have thought this for a long time. There are some day care centres in america (where else) where the infant sleeping arrangements are more akin to veterinary cages stacked up high 'for the safety of the child'. I know I am privileged to be a stay at home mum, but even if my husband earned minimum wage I would still do it. We would make it work. I think the care of my child is more important than a fancy house, a big tv and flash clothes. They are only little for such a short time it makes no sense to me. I just wrote a blog about this (http://livingvicariouslythroughyou.blog ... -time.html) because Family First who I actually are lobbying to pay mothers to stay at home in the same way the government pays the day care to "care" for your child. I think the whole industry stinks, and the fact that women feel they have no choice just breaks my heart.That Diane K. McHale quote is bang on, mothers should feel angry, I know I would. Just like formula companies, day care centres are in the business of making money, set up to make a profits, not ensure your beloved child reaches their full potential.
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Postby Attached mum » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:15 pm

I get sooooo sick of hearing people say "oh you are lucky you can stay home with the kids" It usually comes from daycare mothers who have the fancy cars and houses, like you say bliss, those "consuming beyond our means" mums. And when I am talking to these individuals I have to stop myself from screaming back "Luck doesnt come into it, its a choice - material possessions or well adjusted future leaders!" :evil:
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Postby kiwimummy » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:28 pm

absolutely what the others posted. plus my own personal motto...
you cant buy time back!
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Re: Factory Farming Humans??!!

Postby earthmama » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:12 pm

:shock: :o :) :mrgreen: Like minded people!!

We are low income. We believe raising our girls is more important then 'things'. It is hard, but oh so rewarding!... in saying that, boy do I need some new shoes!!


Oh, and we have stacked cages cots here too


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Re: Factory Farming Humans??!!

Postby HippyMama » Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:37 am

Oh my god. Is that for real !?
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Postby bliss » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:39 am

Those are shocking! :cry:
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